Junction dangers in Southwark (Supplementary) [1]

Session date: 
January 14, 2004
Question By: 
Valerie Shawcross
Labour Group
Asked Of: 
Ken Livingstone


Thank you very much, Mayor. That is very helpful. I am sure we can now work to prompt Southwark to submit for Borough Spending Plan support.

Can I just call into question, perhaps, the general methodology that is used by councils, and to some extent TfL, about assessing where resources should be applied for accidents? There does seem to be this methodology which looks at accidents after they have happened, and yet the Health and Safety Executive's whole modern approach is about pre-emptive risk assessments, looking for the features and the characteristics of a place where an accident may happen.

Very often communities, it seems to me, know where the danger spots are. There is a degree of self-censorship; people do not go through certain areas or do not allow their children through certain areas. Do you think it is time that we actually looked at the basic ad hoc methodology that is being applied at the moment, to see if there is a more pre-emptive approach we could be taking to traffic safety in the whole of London?


Answer for Junction dangers in Southwark (Supplementary) [1]

Answer for Junction dangers in Southwark (Supplementary) [1]

Answered By: 
Ken Livingstone

If you remember the point that Len Duvall [AM] raised a year or so ago about a new school that had been opened - It illustrated this point very clearly, that we normally look at a pattern of accidents over years, and clearly if a new school has opened, there is nothing; you cannot wait for several kids to be killed before you decide there is a problem. I assume this is built-in into our thinking; I will need to go back and check on that.

If you look at the accidents that have been recorded on the A3 between London Bridge and Borough stations during the three years up until August this year, 21 involved pedestrians. But there does seem to be a pattern, which is that three years ago it was 42 accidents. The following year 35, and in the year to this August it was 30. So that might be indicative of a downward trend, and I would like to get further detail on what the spread of the pedestrian accidents is.

If you actually look at, say, the pattern we have taken with 20mph zones, we really have looked at where the worst accidents are, and then we have put them in, so they are led by the scale of accident. I would need to get more detail about the 21 accidents involving pedestrians, and we can come back and have another look at this with Southwark.