Has the last two years shown then that directly elected Mayors are not the panacea that the government initially held them up to be when they pushed through the idea of a directly elected Mayor for London? And has the election of a monkeys in Hartlepool -- (overspeaking).
The Chair: Darren, I really don't think this is relevant to the question.
Darren Johnson: Well, it is, it's on Ken's record. Is this the beginning of the end of directly elected Mayors in the United Kingdom?